From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sun May  3 18:19:04 2009
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (jlfullsack)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:19:04 +0200
Subject: [WSIS-EUC] [governance] hearing on Internet Governance
	arrangements
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"Roland Perry" <roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote

<I agree it's likely to be more of a brainstorming session than people 
talking to Powerpoint slides>

Sorry, this doesn't answer the first question I raised.

< Invitations to attend have been in circulation longer than that.>

Bis repetita : to whom were these invitations sent "longer than that" ?  The 
info appeared on our list on April 26th as an attached document.

<the European IGF was a Parliament thing (sic), and this is the Commission>

Definitely NO Roland Perry. Please refer to my report of the  EP January 
2008 sitting I posted on our list. You'll find the approval of the 
Commissioner to the proposal made by the Catherine Trautmann, MEP and 
rapporteur of the Information Society, for a European IGF to be set up 
before the Hyderabad IGF. Thus, for your personal information I've pasted 
hereafter a small exerpt of my report.

<Conclusion by Commissioner Kuneva
The following step : Consultations to be held in Geneva in February; the 
Commission will participate in the consultative group. EC is present in the 
WSIS process still its very beginning. She thanks particularly Mrs Trautmann 
and supports her proposal of a European IGF to be organized and held as soon 
as possible. Internet governance is a key issue and therefore the EC 
supports the analysis and suggestions of the EP delegation at Rio.>



Finally, I'd remind you that for the CS organizations, engaged in the WSIS 
process and in its actual follow-up, the IGF and its regional declinations 
(e.g. the European IGF) is not a "thing" of the EP, but still is one of our 
(we as European citizens) main objectives for a people centered and 
inclusive Internet, as proclaimed in the CS Declarations of both the Geneva 
Summit and the Tunis Summit.

Nevertheless, I'm not astonished by your comments and advice since you are a 
distinguished member of the Internet industry. This is your perfect and 
respectable right. But we the actual WSIS CS, and especially the European 
one, we need more defining ourselves our beheaviour and guidelines than 
"buying" advive from some Internet professionnals. Since we have at least 
the same knowledge and experience, and what's more, we are citizens from our 
countries, free and independant from any business, and profoundly committed 
to improving the lives of peoples, in the North but also in the South. And 
we do hope that ICT and Internet will strongly contribute to this aim. 
That's why we are fighting i.a. for a suitable Internet governance.

Best
Jean-Louis Fullsack


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roland Perry" <roland at internetpolicyagency.com>
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: AW: [governance] hearing on Internet Governance arrangements


>
> In message <169F4816BEC54B01A6CC3D5D6A654727 at PCbureau>, at 18:22:14 on 
> Thu, 30 Apr 2009, jlfullsack <jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr> writes
>>A far as I understand there was no formal invitation to the CS involved in 
>>IG or generally in Internet issues for participating in this "hearing".
>
> It's just a fancy name for a meeting, and I agree it's likely to be more 
> of a brainstorming session than people talking to Powerpoint slides.
>
>>Second, as for the preceding ITRE Hearing, the announcement (to whom ?) 
>>was made just one week before the meeting.
>
> Invitations to attend have been in circulation longer than that.
>
>>Third, all these "hearings" don't replace an actual European IGF, promised 
>>to the EU citizens in January last year, because
>
> ... the European IGF was a Parliament thing, and this is the Commission.
>
>>Therefore, the urgent setting-up of an actual Euro-IGF is the third point 
>>that should be strongly raised by (one of) our WSIS CS member(s).
>
> Firstly, you are talking to the wrong people, and secondly it all depends 
> who gets re-elected, and whether the Parliament mandate to have such a 
> meeting is renewed. I suggest you lobby the reformed ITRE committee after 
> the summer.
> -- 
> Roland Perry
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Sun May  3 20:22:30 2009
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:22:30 +0200
Subject: [WSIS-EUC] [governance] hearing on Internet Governance
	arrangements
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Dear Jean-Louis
Hello everybody

I could not agree more with you, after the parliament, now
the commission hearings are a sinister joke.
EU that is posing itself as the defender  of freedom and openness in
Un meetings, shame on you !
I am not proud being an European !

It appears that the call for those hearings has not been inclusive, if
not secretive...
EU Commission hearing on future Internet Governance arrangement
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/index_en.htm>
( 06 May 2009, Brussels, Belgium )

/ For logistical reasons participation is by invitation only.
/I guess that in North Korea, there are also similar "logistical reasons"

It would be interesting to have the list of the invitees ...
it is the least to ask

But just let me guess... by logistics...  would it means that that
the EU commission is paying for travel expenses ?

Please Milton, one of the few invitees I am aware of,  could you tell
us if the EU is paying for your trip ?

Jean-Louis has not been invited, me neither, and none of my friends
that I am aware of.

Then who are the happy few invited ?
Only  the regular of the  ICANN meetings ?
but the call refers to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) ?
<http://www.intgovforum.org/>
.
Because of this secretive operation, it is not surprising that there are
only
four submissions :

CENTR 	 PDF format
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/centr_%20final.pdf>

Dr. Milton Mueller 	 PDF format
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/mueller.pdf>

AFNIC 	 PDF format
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/afnic20090506.pdf>

ISOC - ECC 	 PDF format
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/isoc_ep_ig_fin.pdf>



By following this kind of non-open, non-inclusive
 procedures, the EU commission and the EU parliament
has lost any political, moral and ethical
 legitimacy in taking the leadership in forming the EuroIGF.

The lead towards the EuroIGF. should be taken by all open-minded
 European stakeholders, involved in the IGF process,
whether in person, or remotely.

Best

Francis 

>
> "Roland Perry" <roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote
>
> <I agree it's likely to be more of a brainstorming session than people
> talking to Powerpoint slides>
>
> Sorry, this doesn't answer the first question I raised.
>
> < Invitations to attend have been in circulation longer than that.>
>
> Bis repetita : to whom were these invitations sent "longer than that"
> ?  The info appeared on our list on April 26th as an attached document.
>
> <the European IGF was a Parliament thing (sic), and this is the
> Commission>
>
> Definitely NO Roland Perry. Please refer to my report of the  EP
> January 2008 sitting I posted on our list. You'll find the approval of
> the Commissioner to the proposal made by the Catherine Trautmann, MEP
> and rapporteur of the Information Society, for a European IGF to be
> set up before the Hyderabad IGF. Thus, for your personal information
> I've pasted hereafter a small exerpt of my report.
>
> <Conclusion by Commissioner Kuneva
> The following step : Consultations to be held in Geneva in February;
> the Commission will participate in the consultative group. EC is
> present in the WSIS process still its very beginning. She thanks
> particularly Mrs Trautmann and supports her proposal of a European IGF
> to be organized and held as soon as possible. Internet governance is a
> key issue and therefore the EC supports the analysis and suggestions
> of the EP delegation at Rio.>
>
>
>
> Finally, I'd remind you that for the CS organizations, engaged in the
> WSIS process and in its actual follow-up, the IGF and its regional
> declinations (e.g. the European IGF) is not a "thing" of the EP, but
> still is one of our (we as European citizens) main objectives for a
> people centered and inclusive Internet, as proclaimed in the CS
> Declarations of both the Geneva Summit and the Tunis Summit.
>
> Nevertheless, I'm not astonished by your comments and advice since you
> are a distinguished member of the Internet industry. This is your
> perfect and respectable right. But we the actual WSIS CS, and
> especially the European one, we need more defining ourselves our
> beheaviour and guidelines than "buying" advive from some Internet
> professionnals. Since we have at least the same knowledge and
> experience, and what's more, we are citizens from our countries, free
> and independant from any business, and profoundly committed to
> improving the lives of peoples, in the North but also in the South.
> And we do hope that ICT and Internet will strongly contribute to this
> aim. That's why we are fighting i.a. for a suitable Internet governance.
>
> Best
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Perry"
> <roland at internetpolicyagency.com>
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: AW: [governance] hearing on Internet Governance arrangements
>
>
>>
>> In message <169F4816BEC54B01A6CC3D5D6A654727 at PCbureau>, at 18:22:14
>> on Thu, 30 Apr 2009, jlfullsack <jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr> writes
>>> A far as I understand there was no formal invitation to the CS
>>> involved in IG or generally in Internet issues for participating in
>>> this "hearing".
>>
>> It's just a fancy name for a meeting, and I agree it's likely to be
>> more of a brainstorming session than people talking to Powerpoint
>> slides.
>>
>>> Second, as for the preceding ITRE Hearing, the announcement (to whom
>>> ?) was made just one week before the meeting.
>>
>> Invitations to attend have been in circulation longer than that.
>>
>>> Third, all these "hearings" don't replace an actual European IGF,
>>> promised to the EU citizens in January last year, because
>>
>> ... the European IGF was a Parliament thing, and this is the Commission.
>>
>>> Therefore, the urgent setting-up of an actual Euro-IGF is the third
>>> point that should be strongly raised by (one of) our WSIS CS member(s).
>>
>> Firstly, you are talking to the wrong people, and secondly it all
>> depends who gets re-elected, and whether the Parliament mandate to
>> have such a meeting is renewed. I suggest you lobby the reformed ITRE
>> committee after the summer.
>> -- 
>> Roland Perry
>> ____________________________________________________________
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>
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